1 00:00:21,529 --> 00:00:14,330 [Music] 2 00:00:29,810 --> 00:00:25,579 my name is Scott Nelson and I've been 3 00:00:33,229 --> 00:00:29,820 involved with Bigfoot research for about 4 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:33,239 11 years now and it's not something I'm 5 00:00:37,670 --> 00:00:36,239 meant to get into I was I like to the 6 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:37,680 first thing I like to tell people is 7 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:41,040 that I'm not a Bigfoot guy I'm just a 8 00:00:50,689 --> 00:00:43,530 language guy the template happened to 9 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:50,699 stumble into this study of the and and 10 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:52,800 what we feel we've shown demonstrated 11 00:01:00,320 --> 00:00:56,430 very well that these creatures are not 12 00:01:05,170 --> 00:01:00,330 big stupid gorilla ape-like creatures 13 00:01:08,660 --> 00:01:05,180 these are very closely related to us and 14 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:08,670 the reason we believe that is because we 15 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:13,320 know now that they have language and if 16 00:01:20,530 --> 00:01:17,640 we are going to define Sasquatch by the 17 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:20,540 same standards that we define ourselves 18 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:22,890 then we have to believe that they are 19 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:28,050 intelligent sentient even creatures just 20 00:01:32,110 --> 00:01:34,180 you 21 00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:37,780 - something to start 22 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:41,540 so very benign we and hey let's go look 23 00:01:48,460 --> 00:01:43,450 and see if we can get some evidence on 24 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:48,470 sasquatches and see if we can gather 25 00:01:56,980 --> 00:01:52,760 evidence more tapes more vocalizations 26 00:02:02,650 --> 00:01:56,990 where that have linguistic value and it 27 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:02,660 just led into a high strangeness if you 28 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:08,090 will for the first 29 00:02:15,869 --> 00:02:10,849 years of course I've been working most 30 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:15,879 closely with Ron Moorhead over the years 31 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:19,810 and we began right away being invited to 32 00:02:32,830 --> 00:02:28,869 three or four times a year it's happened 33 00:02:34,990 --> 00:02:32,840 very quickly and even though we knew 34 00:02:38,729 --> 00:02:35,000 about the weirdness that had happened up 35 00:02:43,539 --> 00:02:38,739 at the Sierra camp for some for decades 36 00:02:46,339 --> 00:02:43,549 we had decided in the beginning not to 37 00:02:49,420 --> 00:02:46,349 speak about the strangeness of it 38 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:49,430 just because at that time there was a 39 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:52,260 there was a big camp of Bigfoot 40 00:02:56,809 --> 00:02:53,730 researchers that didn't want to even 41 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:56,819 hear about court they didn't want to 42 00:03:02,809 --> 00:02:58,890 hear the Sasquatch had language alone 43 00:03:07,490 --> 00:03:02,819 that there was some very weird 44 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:07,500 crossovers into whatever UK 45 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:10,019 interdimensional out into dimensionality 46 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:14,970 or but who knows UFOs and we're talking 47 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:19,049 high strangeness so for the first five 48 00:03:24,679 --> 00:03:22,230 years me and Ron had a an agreement that 49 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:24,689 when we were at conferences we weren't 50 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:26,370 going to talk about the weirdness we're 51 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:28,370 just going to talk about Bigfoot and the 52 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:32,010 fact that he had language which to us 53 00:03:39,930 --> 00:03:37,730 was enough trying to demonstrate that 54 00:03:44,140 --> 00:03:39,940 but after 55 00:03:46,990 --> 00:03:44,150 about five years ago it got to the point 56 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:47,000 where we could no longer we no longer 57 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:49,440 felt we could 58 00:03:57,949 --> 00:03:55,440 vision of the topic right and we just 59 00:04:01,030 --> 00:03:57,959 finally decided look we don't care now 60 00:04:03,100 --> 00:04:01,040 who thinks we're crazy 61 00:04:08,570 --> 00:04:03,110 we're just tired of trying to cover all 62 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:10,010 we decided that we were going to start 63 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:12,990 you know we still are our most important 64 00:04:16,970 --> 00:04:14,310 thing that we do when we go to 65 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:16,980 conferences is and present our study is 66 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:20,370 that itself is to present the study and 67 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:24,150 and to continue demonstrating that these 68 00:04:28,910 --> 00:04:27,330 creatures have language because and and 69 00:04:30,980 --> 00:04:28,920 quite frankly that has changed 70 00:04:35,750 --> 00:04:30,990 everything about the perception of 71 00:04:38,660 --> 00:04:35,760 Sasquatch when we first started 72 00:04:41,710 --> 00:04:38,670 the most prominent theory was that these 73 00:04:45,370 --> 00:04:41,720 were big or that these were remnant 74 00:04:47,740 --> 00:04:45,380 species of Gigantopithecus 75 00:04:51,010 --> 00:04:47,750 who had somehow learned to walk on two 76 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:51,020 feet that these are remnant J Ganapathy 77 00:04:57,460 --> 00:04:54,890 cos that that had somehow survived and 78 00:05:01,120 --> 00:04:57,470 learned to evade humans and this and 79 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:01,130 what evidence was there nothing well 80 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:06,650 that they said came from a gigantic ape 81 00:05:11,030 --> 00:05:09,120 well we're not disputing that there were 82 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:11,040 gigantic apes over here 83 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:14,250 hey what we're disputing is that what 84 00:05:20,090 --> 00:05:16,500 we're dealing with is not a giant ape 85 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:20,100 one thing and I asked a very prominent 86 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:22,830 scientist this question once I said what 87 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:24,840 evidence is there that gigantic Pittacus 88 00:05:30,740 --> 00:05:26,720 walked on two feet 89 00:05:32,460 --> 00:05:30,750 he very honestly said none oh we have us 90 00:05:37,219 --> 00:05:32,470 a tooth 91 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:37,229 maybe a jawbone right 92 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:40,050 we were very early on convinced that 93 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:44,680 we're not talking about a big dumb 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:47,289 gorilla incapable of speech and by the 95 00:05:56,369 --> 00:05:52,330 way the higher Apes other than us do not 96 00:06:00,360 --> 00:05:56,379 have the apparatus needed to articulate 97 00:06:05,189 --> 00:06:00,370 language in the way that um this the 98 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:05,199 Sierra being articulates language 99 00:06:13,890 --> 00:06:11,820 it has the same apparatus that we do 100 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:13,900 because it articulates speech in exactly 101 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:17,090 the same way with and beyond 102 00:06:23,239 --> 00:06:19,580 beyond they make sounds that are beyond 103 00:06:26,809 --> 00:06:23,249 our ability so 104 00:06:30,099 --> 00:06:26,819 hell we got involved in the presenting 105 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:30,109 the hi strange thanks 106 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:37,630 I'm trying to separate the the things 107 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:41,330 that that are that can be attributed to 108 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:46,810 a sasquatch being 109 00:06:54,659 --> 00:06:50,220 from the things that simply cannot be 110 00:07:01,439 --> 00:06:57,179 and by the way one thing that we have 111 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:01,449 discovered and a conclusion that we've 112 00:07:05,790 --> 00:07:03,010 come to 113 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:09,659 we don't know what they are at first we 114 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:11,710 felt it was it wasn't harder it wasn't 115 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:14,110 our job to prove that they existed 116 00:07:18,330 --> 00:07:15,370 because there were so many people out 117 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:18,340 there doing that already with all of the 118 00:07:23,249 --> 00:07:20,800 the footprint evidence and the vocal 119 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:23,259 evidence you know but we have of course 120 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:26,770 had the only linguistic evidence um so 121 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:29,560 first me and Ron decided that our job 122 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:33,220 really was not to prove their existence 123 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:36,550 but to give a better idea as to the 124 00:07:42,180 --> 00:07:39,250 nature of them so that's what we started 125 00:07:51,390 --> 00:07:46,410 we did it and the more expeditions we 126 00:07:54,930 --> 00:07:51,400 talk up to the original Sierra camp the 127 00:07:57,810 --> 00:07:54,940 more we and evidence gathered from other 128 00:08:00,990 --> 00:07:57,820 sources other people that are coming 129 00:08:08,660 --> 00:08:01,000 forward and showing that there's this is 130 00:08:11,220 --> 00:08:08,670 way more than we think it is we we've 131 00:08:14,190 --> 00:08:11,230 changed the way that I refer to the 132 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:14,200 creatures at first I just call them 133 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:18,330 sasquatch the first thing I was the 134 00:08:26,060 --> 00:08:22,450 Sasquatch phonetic alphabet you know but 135 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:26,070 then and then I had to revise that 136 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:28,270 because the concept that we were dealing 137 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:30,240 was changing so quickly 138 00:08:39,149 --> 00:08:34,870 now I have to do um I have to do another 139 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:39,159 revision of that because um so I first 140 00:08:46,490 --> 00:08:42,090 start out just calling him sasquatch and 141 00:08:54,010 --> 00:08:48,330 we started calling 142 00:09:02,290 --> 00:08:56,740 it's come to the point to where we don't 143 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:02,300 know what they are who we are I am quite 144 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:05,180 certain that they are more than just a 145 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:09,790 big hairy wild man related to humans 146 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:12,410 that lives in a forest comes out at 147 00:09:20,650 --> 00:09:16,700 night so I have begun to refer to them 148 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:20,660 as the Sierra being because I have no 149 00:09:26,050 --> 00:09:23,240 evidence real evidence that it's the 150 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:26,060 same being that might be in flora or 151 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:28,880 might be but because we have evidence 152 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:31,370 from really all over the world but 153 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:38,860 but we have no real evidence are they 154 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:42,290 exactly the same being as the dog man in 155 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:46,730 Ohio or the Momo where I live 156 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:50,150 Missouri I yeah I have a theory I've of 157 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:52,220 course I believe that they're the same 158 00:10:01,010 --> 00:09:53,750 but we have no evidence of that 159 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:04,220 unscientific even the language is an art 160 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:07,500 it's not a science but it's boring on 161 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:08,970 what we're doing is borderline 162 00:10:16,010 --> 00:10:13,490 scientific stuff I've had to revise my 163 00:10:18,020 --> 00:10:16,020 understanding of that and and I have now 164 00:10:20,990 --> 00:10:18,030 begun to call him simply the Sierra 165 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:23,370 the ones that we have on tape from the 166 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:31,270 term you'll know what I mean by that I 167 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:35,150 really mean sasquatch but we don't know 168 00:10:39,050 --> 00:10:36,990 what they are 169 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:39,060 you 170 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:53,100 that I personally have witnessed and and 171 00:10:58,940 --> 00:10:56,760 I can tell you many of the other highly 172 00:11:00,500 --> 00:10:58,950 highly strange things that have happened 173 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:00,510 up there at the Sierra camp and 174 00:11:08,270 --> 00:11:04,410 elsewhere that some that I personally 175 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:08,280 did not experience but I heard it so you 176 00:11:13,910 --> 00:11:11,310 know firsthand from people that have no 177 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:13,920 reason to 178 00:11:19,650 --> 00:11:17,120 you know mislead me 179 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:19,660 um 180 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:22,510 and and from multiple people at the same 181 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:29,190 time experience the same thing so 182 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:34,180 personally the the thing something that 183 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:39,060 the first thing that happened to me 184 00:11:51,540 --> 00:11:44,340 personally and my son Steven Ron and Ron 185 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:51,550 was our very first successful attempt to 186 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:53,950 make it to this year again yeah I refer 187 00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:55,600 to that as our first successful attempt 188 00:11:58,050 --> 00:11:56,560 because it was the first time we were 189 00:12:02,010 --> 00:11:58,060 actually able to make it to the Sierra 190 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:02,020 camp the year before was it was a 191 00:12:07,860 --> 00:12:04,840 disaster where Ron was almost killed 192 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:07,870 and I like to joke that I saved his life 193 00:12:16,950 --> 00:12:11,860 and he'll even you'll even give me that 194 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:16,960 credit too and something prevented us 195 00:12:24,540 --> 00:12:19,690 from making it to this camp it's the 196 00:12:30,569 --> 00:12:24,550 simplest way to say it so that following 197 00:12:32,579 --> 00:12:30,579 year Steven came with me and we fine 198 00:12:34,499 --> 00:12:32,589 made it into camp was probably about 199 00:12:36,539 --> 00:12:34,509 three o'clock in the afternoon of course 200 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:36,549 we started almost three or four in the 201 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:42,370 and we hiked all the way carrying 202 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:45,260 everything in that we thought we needed 203 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:51,770 and the second we got to the camp and we 204 00:13:00,690 --> 00:12:55,720 avera of course we were so exhausted 205 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:00,700 and we'd settled our backpacks down and 206 00:13:12,950 --> 00:13:04,030 just for sitting leaning back against a 207 00:13:23,740 --> 00:13:17,720 40 about we estimated 40 to 50 yards 208 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:28,120 we heard a sound that it said 209 00:13:32,410 --> 00:13:30,830 to me it sounded exactly like well to 210 00:13:36,730 --> 00:13:32,420 all of us it sounded exactly like a 211 00:13:38,380 --> 00:13:36,740 cowbell only so loud I grew up around 212 00:13:41,020 --> 00:13:38,390 cows I know what cowbell sound like 213 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:41,030 right but the directly west of Oh can't 214 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:45,530 we hear clang clang clang just like that 215 00:13:51,110 --> 00:13:49,130 I'd never heard a cowbell summoned like 216 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:51,120 like it was 217 00:13:58,530 --> 00:13:54,490 purposefully wrong in that 218 00:14:01,010 --> 00:13:58,540 patter clang clang clang and we stopped 219 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:01,020 which looked at each other what the hell 220 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:08,420 Ron who had by necessity become a 221 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:11,279 skeptic over the years he at that point 222 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:14,790 was not willing to you know talk about 223 00:14:19,940 --> 00:14:16,350 anything if he did not see a sasquatch 224 00:14:21,470 --> 00:14:19,950 walk up and say good morning sir 225 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:21,480 then he was not going to call it a 226 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:23,760 sasquatch because he'd been ridiculed 227 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:30,620 so we both we all always want what the 228 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,910 hell was that a nun goes oh that was a 229 00:14:36,860 --> 00:14:34,560 cowbell 230 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:36,870 must be cows up here 231 00:14:43,870 --> 00:14:41,930 I said Ron that was not a cowbell 232 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:43,880 no Cal we did say there's no count cows 233 00:14:49,329 --> 00:14:46,330 could not make it up to this mountain 234 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:49,339 but we just endured getting up here 235 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:52,100 there's no way he says oh oh we saw cows 236 00:14:59,050 --> 00:14:55,490 a pair of a couple times I says Ron that 237 00:15:02,530 --> 00:14:59,060 was not a cowbell and no sooner did I 238 00:15:05,290 --> 00:15:02,540 get that little exchange was over in 239 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:05,300 other words seconds after that sound 240 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:09,310 then directly east of the camp 241 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:12,470 approximately the same distance we heard 242 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:17,110 a same exact sound clang clang clang 243 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:21,720 exactly the same mcquigg leave metallics 244 00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:26,050 and I should Ron well that was a cowbell 245 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:29,860 - that's the fastest cow I ever heard 246 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:33,490 right because it had traveled at Leo 80 247 00:15:40,139 --> 00:15:36,660 to 100 yards completely around our camp 248 00:15:44,699 --> 00:15:40,149 without making a sound and then decided 249 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:44,709 to ring his cowbell so Stephen I look at 250 00:15:51,090 --> 00:15:47,890 ourselves no right and then Ron Kaufman 251 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:51,100 had to accept it now that was that was 252 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:53,670 highly strange 253 00:16:03,079 --> 00:15:55,750 so that was one of the first things 254 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:03,089 would that I expressed which you know 255 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:05,890 led into so much of our discussion about 256 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:08,410 you know what kind of strange things had 257 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:10,570 happened up at that camp over the many 258 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:15,850 years and um in Ron you know Ron will 259 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:21,430 tell you all of these stories himself so 260 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:24,610 at this one afternoon it's a very famous 261 00:16:28,460 --> 00:16:26,230 story amongst them that they were 262 00:16:31,139 --> 00:16:28,470 sitting there one day with the Sun hi 263 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:31,149 hello today twelve o'clock or one 264 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:32,200 o'clock in the afternoon 265 00:16:38,190 --> 00:16:35,529 and he heard this tuning fork sound as 266 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:38,200 if someone struck a tuning fork and it 267 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:40,570 just vibrated and emanated over the 268 00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,420 whole mountain and they tried to they 269 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:45,279 talked to where's that coming from 270 00:16:49,290 --> 00:16:46,630 where's that coming from they could not 271 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:49,300 tell whether it was coming from the sky 272 00:16:53,860 --> 00:16:51,070 or whether it was coming from 273 00:16:58,450 --> 00:16:56,350 strong was as a stronger vibration was 274 00:17:00,670 --> 00:16:58,460 of course this is something that would 275 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:00,680 not have you know and our concept of 276 00:17:06,380 --> 00:17:09,650 nothing to do with sasquatch 277 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:11,540 one of the things that troubled them for 278 00:17:15,470 --> 00:17:22,829 were not many things but 279 00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:28,769 as many as I was like can one of the 280 00:17:37,380 --> 00:17:35,850 to them up there one night was I found 281 00:17:40,529 --> 00:17:37,390 it be one of the most the strangest of 282 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:40,539 all and that is you know they the 283 00:17:51,550 --> 00:17:48,530 in their lean-to cabin that they'd built 284 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:51,560 a couple decades before 285 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:00,500 they her vocalizations they heard more 286 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:04,410 than one creature 287 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:08,010 being around uh they started to hear all 288 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:09,870 of the the gear that was outside of the 289 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:12,510 cabin being picked up and thrown around 290 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:16,050 and they had big 55-gallon barrels that 291 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:18,570 they would burn stuff in you know and 292 00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:21,450 other 55-gallon barrels that they that 293 00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:23,580 they packed stuff in to protect them and 294 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:26,100 they heard these barrels being picked up 295 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:28,740 and smashed against each other and him 296 00:18:34,910 --> 00:18:30,980 being thrown down the side of the hill 297 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:34,920 toward the toward the stream they heard 298 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:38,870 they're still being smashed and just a 299 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:42,900 huge rock of course huge ruckus and of 300 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:45,760 course they were all 301 00:18:50,190 --> 00:18:48,340 as they say they all put they don't pull 302 00:18:52,649 --> 00:18:50,200 there because they were at any moment 303 00:18:54,149 --> 00:18:52,659 waiting for whatever was out there to 304 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:54,159 come 305 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:57,230 crashing through the lean-to and just to 306 00:19:04,060 --> 00:18:59,100 kill 307 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:04,070 that's really what they expected and um 308 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:08,610 but then this the sound dissipated 309 00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:10,020 they and they had their pistols drawn 310 00:19:18,510 --> 00:19:13,080 had their guns ready to really to defend 311 00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:18,520 their lives but then they 312 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:23,320 it stopped and so the ho nursed settled 313 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,980 down a little bit 314 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:26,400 I mean they've well maybe they're gone 315 00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:28,690 but none of them was willing to even 316 00:19:35,820 --> 00:19:33,720 look outside no thinking that they could 317 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:35,830 you know intimidate the creature or 318 00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:39,070 whatever they were so they stayed in 319 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:41,740 there they finally someone stayed up all 320 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:44,170 night till the Sun come up they weren't 321 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:46,049 going to go out 322 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:49,630 some went to spin them sleeping but in 323 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:51,850 the morning when the Sun was well up and 324 00:19:59,549 --> 00:19:54,970 they felt secure enough to look out and 325 00:20:02,930 --> 00:19:59,559 to walk out they walked out and the camp 326 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:06,180 everything was exactly what though in 327 00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:09,370 its place where would the stole was not 328 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:12,580 crushed it was not that there here was 329 00:20:18,269 --> 00:20:14,250 not scattered everything was exactly 330 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:18,279 where they had pots and pans that they 331 00:20:23,249 --> 00:20:20,289 the night before had heard being smashed 332 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:23,259 together and you know don't they walk 333 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:25,570 out and everything is absolutely the way 334 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:31,980 so it's not like some something had gone 335 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:35,260 in there and and wrecked their camp and 336 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:37,030 then came back later in a night and put 337 00:20:43,210 --> 00:20:40,270 everything back it was this it was as if 338 00:20:53,629 --> 00:20:48,600 that I found to be and I heard this from 339 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:53,639 more than just one it was 340 00:20:58,729 --> 00:20:56,089 found to be one of the strangest Thanks 341 00:21:00,560 --> 00:20:58,739 and of course that takes us way out of 342 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:00,570 the realm of 343 00:21:15,370 --> 00:21:09,990 you 344 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:15,380 know so much activity there were a 345 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:18,049 couple people a couple guys that had 346 00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:22,370 actually witnessed a sasquatch one guy 347 00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:23,929 got up early in the morning once and 348 00:21:29,889 --> 00:21:26,840 went down to get some water Rich's face 349 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:29,899 off whatever and directly across from 350 00:21:35,259 --> 00:21:32,330 this little stream he looks up and 351 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:35,269 there's it what he thought was a young 352 00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:37,850 Sasquatch just standing there sitting on 353 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:46,220 that scared him so much that he would 354 00:21:51,740 --> 00:21:49,049 never go back up there again so there 355 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:51,750 was there were a lot of people or a 356 00:21:58,159 --> 00:21:54,470 number of people that had actually 357 00:22:01,520 --> 00:21:58,169 witnessed a sasquatch be up there 358 00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:01,530 including Ron's daughter Rhonda had seen 359 00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:05,520 one Walker down stopped and he seemed to 360 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:08,360 be able to freeze this something that we 361 00:22:13,399 --> 00:22:10,140 understand about them now they're able 362 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:13,409 to stops and so suddenly and freeze I'm 363 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:18,590 really almost blend in almost a stealth 364 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:23,190 mode where they seem to be able to blend 365 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:27,210 into the background and then they'll 366 00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:28,320 just walk off again 367 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:31,350 and this happened to Rhonda she was up 368 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:38,740 and of course the you know that's just 369 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:41,330 it trying to understand the nature of 370 00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:44,210 Sasquatch but it really them having 371 00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:47,720 those abilities would take us out of the 372 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:02,820 you 373 00:23:11,570 --> 00:23:09,590 something that happened at first year 374 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:11,580 the first year that we tried to get up 375 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:14,130 there that would take us out of the 376 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:24,859 I got Ron down off that mountain right 377 00:23:37,099 --> 00:23:31,830 and Ron spoke Rhonda and Ron's 378 00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:37,109 granddaughter and Ron's ex-wife were 379 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:39,960 there they had come up they had planned 380 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,830 to come up to well God was so grateful 381 00:23:47,619 --> 00:23:46,320 that they did because we were in bad we 382 00:23:55,399 --> 00:23:47,629 were in bad shape 383 00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:55,409 Ron had several broken ribs and damn 384 00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:59,940 near broken arm so they had come up just 385 00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:01,320 at the right to him talk about 386 00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:05,309 synchronicity today and too careless 387 00:24:10,399 --> 00:24:07,799 they made us a steak dinner that I don't 388 00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:10,409 know I'm getting our track of it it was 389 00:24:15,969 --> 00:24:12,539 just so local wonderful that they had 390 00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,979 come up well why we were in camp 391 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:18,059 recovering a little bit before we could 392 00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:19,609 even head back down the mountain 393 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:31,440 things happened I mean a lot of 394 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,280 Sasquatch stuff and I'm gonna stay with 395 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:36,400 you know oh yeah we know somebody did 396 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:37,690 this had to be sasquatch 397 00:24:42,419 --> 00:24:39,730 but it's within a natural realm I'm 398 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:42,429 trying to tell you about the unnatural 399 00:24:51,410 --> 00:24:44,890 things things that cannot be explained 400 00:24:57,870 --> 00:24:56,160 we were sitting we were in camp and but 401 00:24:59,370 --> 00:24:57,880 what what's called the horse camp it's 402 00:25:02,880 --> 00:24:59,380 down at the bottom it's in the valley 403 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:02,890 it's next to the river and the Sierra 404 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:05,220 camp is clear on the top of the mountain 405 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:07,750 so we were essentially just down the 406 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:16,389 thousands of feet below and it was 407 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:18,060 beautiful 408 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:28,919 Wendy 409 00:25:36,779 --> 00:25:32,049 ron's granddaughter took a walk down 410 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:36,789 this trail down the river and she wasn't 411 00:25:48,239 --> 00:25:42,610 gone long when Rhonda who was sitting at 412 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:48,249 camp saw uh what she saw a bright day it 413 00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:49,690 was the morning time so the Sun was 414 00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:53,700 already up um she saw very quickly a 415 00:26:00,810 --> 00:25:58,000 silhouette of what she thought could be 416 00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:00,820 that's a huge man we were in an area 417 00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:02,830 where and on the side of the river where 418 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:03,880 there were Dell 419 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:06,760 other people and she saw very quickly 420 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,800 running through this little clearing 421 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:11,760 area what she thought looked like a 422 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,610 large man 423 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,320 little bit worried because her niece had 424 00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:18,240 just walked off down into the direction 425 00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:20,030 that way 426 00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,100 so um Rhonda got up and she walked down 427 00:26:30,850 --> 00:26:28,860 that trail looking for and I said I'm 428 00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:30,860 gonna go me and I didn't see it 429 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:36,440 but Rhonda did so we didn't go with her 430 00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:39,090 Rhonda walked down that trail looking 431 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:44,460 for her niece Wendy and um finally found 432 00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:48,720 Wendy and Wendy when she met Rhonda on 433 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:49,260 the trails 434 00:26:56,169 --> 00:26:54,700 she's no wolf what are you talking about 435 00:27:01,210 --> 00:26:56,179 she says no I 436 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:04,359 and should know no idea what you're 437 00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:05,809 talking about I saw Silla running 438 00:27:09,249 --> 00:27:07,820 through the and in paraphrasing a 439 00:27:11,099 --> 00:27:09,259 conversation that they had out on the 440 00:27:13,629 --> 00:27:11,109 trail um 441 00:27:20,229 --> 00:27:13,639 and Rhonda will tell you this stay exact 442 00:27:22,649 --> 00:27:20,239 same story and so would Wendy um she 443 00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:22,659 tells one you know I saw this big giant 444 00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:24,919 man-like thing running through the woods 445 00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:28,399 down towards the stream and I was 446 00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:29,659 worried about you cuz you would just 447 00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:31,820 walk down and she's no I didn't seduce I 448 00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,840 didn't see anything like that nothing 449 00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:34,399 like the Sasquatch she says but I saw 450 00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:41,470 this giant a giant white wolf massive 451 00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:50,299 that's what first gave us the idea could 452 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:51,900 these things have an 453 00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:55,410 unnatural ability to shape-shift 454 00:28:02,600 --> 00:27:59,640 and of course you know it wasn't long 455 00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,610 before you know we hear the the more I 456 00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:04,559 got into the study you know he knew here 457 00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,679 from Native Americans and that did they 458 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,539 say they've always said that these 459 00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:12,480 creatures have the ability to 460 00:28:21,019 --> 00:28:17,190 shape-shift well that takes us step 461 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:22,610 that was one of the 462 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:35,520 one several years later 463 00:28:35,530 --> 00:28:42,030 in it we had already begun to 464 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:45,440 these were not just benign big forest 465 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:49,900 brothers we began to sense that we that 466 00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:53,920 it's you know did you have to be careful 467 00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:56,260 and you have to prepare yourself and you 468 00:29:01,740 --> 00:28:59,110 know and again and how do you prepare 469 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:01,750 yourself against you know something that 470 00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:03,310 could kill you would it would a hand 471 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:04,660 slap 472 00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:08,350 and um but there had already begun an 473 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:11,620 idea of like you don't want to be out 474 00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:13,190 here alone 475 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:20,570 wrong 476 00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,550 Steve and I had been up on a mount had 477 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:25,200 made a couple of expeditions up there 478 00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:27,630 already in that summer and there had 479 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:38,960 and we were disappointed of course 480 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:41,700 went home and and you know for those two 481 00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,289 expeditions to me and Steve he packed up 482 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:46,200 and drove back to Missouri and but Ron 483 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:47,730 was wrong as I could tell he was 484 00:29:50,899 --> 00:29:49,590 concerned about you so I'm gonna I want 485 00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:50,909 to go back up there I said Ron 486 00:30:00,010 --> 00:29:56,159 no you you need to promise me now that 487 00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:00,020 you will not try to go up there alone 488 00:30:07,630 --> 00:30:03,800 and he did he promised me right as I 489 00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:07,640 remember it but I'll be damned if you 490 00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,340 know we're not very far out of town when 491 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:12,080 he begins planning to go there alone and 492 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:19,990 he did and as he will tell it now he was 493 00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:26,349 and you only intended to go up there for 494 00:30:32,999 --> 00:30:29,080 one night and God 495 00:30:37,289 --> 00:30:33,009 and he got up there and made it up there 496 00:30:37,889 --> 00:30:37,299 somehow alone with a tent and a 497 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:37,899 slingback 498 00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:43,450 and got the tent set up 499 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:53,560 was immediately attacked by mosquitoes 500 00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,600 mosquitoes that would come from the 501 00:31:00,900 --> 00:30:58,240 Everglades 502 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:00,910 he said it was so overwhelming that it 503 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:04,390 drove him into the tent almost right 504 00:31:09,419 --> 00:31:07,210 after he got it set up 505 00:31:13,289 --> 00:31:09,429 heard about this mosquito phenomenon 506 00:31:16,649 --> 00:31:13,299 from other researchers right but it did 507 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:16,659 draw it was so bad and he had repellent 508 00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:18,250 on even we always carry that stuff but 509 00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:20,140 but the mosquitoes were never that bad 510 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:22,200 up there in the first place - high 511 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:26,770 elevations 11,000 feet so it drove him 512 00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:29,070 into the tent 513 00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:34,560 excuse me and um and almost an it was 514 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:36,840 still evening Sun was still well it was 515 00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:40,850 probably down but it was dusk and um 516 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:43,940 when he started hearing activity site 517 00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:47,070 vocalizations even what we would call 518 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:50,580 morpheme streams meaning that its 519 00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:54,450 linguistic in nature not just a you know 520 00:32:00,260 --> 00:31:58,560 how all or a grunt and he's sort of 521 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:00,270 hearing that from various places around 522 00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:09,209 as he tells it it's he's in his mind his 523 00:32:16,979 --> 00:32:10,840 home man we're in for a big night 524 00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:16,989 tonight in sure enough once 525 00:32:22,889 --> 00:32:20,679 once it got dark and he was he says he 526 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:22,899 was scared to death then he started to 527 00:32:30,050 --> 00:32:24,660 talk 528 00:32:31,550 --> 00:32:30,060 don't please don't kill me 529 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:31,560 you don't have any reason to scare me 530 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,389 more activity and he said finally he 531 00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:44,640 heard one come up and and again took one 532 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:48,659 of the 55-gallon barrels and smacked it 533 00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:54,090 with something with its hand so loud 534 00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:57,679 that sounded like an explosion to blam 535 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,860 which of course scared hell out 536 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:03,360 and he's any touch to talk to me because 537 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:05,490 please don't please don't scare me 538 00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:07,289 please don't scare me you got nothing to 539 00:33:12,139 --> 00:33:09,390 worry about from me I you know I just up 540 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:12,149 here I wanna try to talk to communicate 541 00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,140 I wanna you know I won't understand you 542 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:17,399 but of course she was he was scared to 543 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:22,200 death he stayed he ended up sitting up 544 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:26,090 in his tent all night long but one point 545 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:30,970 at one point after the big 546 00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:35,770 to slam of that 55-gallon barrel still 547 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:39,760 news10 and something walks up oh it's 548 00:33:46,889 --> 00:33:43,450 done its haunches he didn't see it it's 549 00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:53,830 and um whatever it was 550 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:01,080 made a elect electronic humming um 551 00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:04,770 that it was it sounded almost robotic 552 00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:08,140 almost but certainly metallic something 553 00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:09,940 that no you know natural creature could 554 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:15,659 Ron felt he said it was impossible for 555 00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,649 anybody to make this sound and he almost 556 00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:20,159 felt and it lasted for a long time I 557 00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:24,460 mean in no situations you know it might 558 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:25,360 be a minute 559 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:27,580 might be 30 seconds and it seems like 560 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:31,570 it's an eternity but he he acts Ron said 561 00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:35,050 Scott it almost felt like I was being 562 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:40,780 scanned in some way but it was certainly 563 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:43,050 wasn't something you know flushing I 564 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:45,490 really start to our knowledge of flesh 565 00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:46,090 and blood 566 00:34:52,649 --> 00:34:50,830 creature could do and after that the 567 00:34:56,129 --> 00:34:52,659 thing got up walked away you can hear 568 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:56,139 them walk boom boom boom so big walked 569 00:35:00,420 --> 00:34:57,970 away and it left him alone rest tonight 570 00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:00,430 but still he couldn't he couldn't sleep 571 00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:03,150 so he stayed up the rest of the night 572 00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,790 second the light came he got up grabbed 573 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:09,760 his small backpack left to tent sleep 574 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,410 bag everything up on him out and said I 575 00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:13,920 just got the heck down off that mountain 576 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:20,020 the second the Sun come up he hasn't 577 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:21,880 been apologizing to me ever since for 578 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:35,680 I could speak a little bit about the 579 00:35:44,049 --> 00:35:41,990 lights because these happened this the 580 00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:44,059 use of these were not isolated incidents 581 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:49,839 they happened routinely if not you know 582 00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:52,730 they're not every time we were up there 583 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:54,140 because I I have never actually seen 584 00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:57,770 what he describes as the lights right 585 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:02,240 but um for decades the hundred you would 586 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,849 once in awhile see orbs of different 587 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:10,160 sizes sometimes they they describe them 588 00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:13,910 as a size of a basketball sometimes the 589 00:36:19,809 --> 00:36:17,260 size of a softball or in between and 590 00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:19,819 these were orbs that that seemed to come 591 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:23,420 down and go through the trees now at 592 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:30,510 and that the canopy of the trees is so 593 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:32,450 thick 594 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:34,010 one doesn't shine through the stars 595 00:36:38,339 --> 00:36:35,810 don't shine through so it is essentially 596 00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,349 you might as well be 50 feet underground 597 00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:40,880 okay it's so black you can't see the 598 00:36:45,819 --> 00:36:44,630 hand in front of your face now of course 599 00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,829 they would most of the time if they're 600 00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:47,680 sitting up they have a little fire going 601 00:36:57,069 --> 00:36:51,560 Lambie and glow and they would see these 602 00:36:59,620 --> 00:36:57,079 orbs come down through and and travel 603 00:37:02,380 --> 00:36:59,630 through the trees very slowly 604 00:37:03,790 --> 00:37:02,390 like boom and it suddenly got a flash of 605 00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:03,800 light and nothing like that 606 00:37:14,170 --> 00:37:06,260 It was as if these orbs were unconcerned 607 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:14,180 with the hunters or on and later and the 608 00:37:24,580 --> 00:37:17,470 they would skirt the edge of the camp in 609 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,590 kana stay a relative relatively static 610 00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:26,720 distance from the ground sometimes 611 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:29,300 higher innovation sometimes low and they 612 00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:33,110 would travel through through the forest 613 00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:35,720 skirting the camp and would go off 614 00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:43,859 and that um this happened many many 615 00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:54,180 um a few years after 616 00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:55,720 incident where ron was up there by 617 00:38:03,150 --> 00:37:59,440 himself and he had that encounter of 618 00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,160 being scanned he put it he and he 619 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,680 decided his girlfriend wanted to go up 620 00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:08,320 there so him and his girlfriend went up 621 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:15,880 nice night 622 00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:18,490 you know always being vigilant for any 623 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:22,200 activity that they might gather 624 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:26,570 and they're shooting but a campfire and 625 00:38:31,859 --> 00:38:30,110 a different kind of light 626 00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,869 comes down 627 00:38:35,890 --> 00:38:34,240 and they both see it and this one was 628 00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:35,900 about 629 00:38:49,309 --> 00:38:45,300 we'll worry rod like that they describe 630 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:51,979 six seven inches in diameter so pretty 631 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:00,110 to the ground and again 632 00:39:04,339 --> 00:39:02,490 very slowly 633 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:04,349 and seemingly into you know 634 00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:07,410 intentionally traveling slowly and 635 00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:11,310 smoothly through the trees just outside 636 00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:15,599 of the clearing of the camp god it did 637 00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:17,670 the same thing it went down following 638 00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:23,930 something was gone 639 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:28,770 and that brought you know other people 640 00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:31,510 into the into that were carry saw it 641 00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:34,600 very clearly was not a hallucination 642 00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:37,900 that he said because it these moments 643 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:46,400 it's not like something shoots through 644 00:40:00,250 --> 00:39:54,140 intentionally and intentioned 645 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:03,110 one of their one of the ones that 646 00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:05,610 moments that they talked about it was 647 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:09,180 important to them because they saw it 648 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:14,130 for such a long time it went down into 649 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:15,930 the valley and then slowly went up the 650 00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:18,050 hills on the opposite side and 651 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:20,190 eventually they were able to watch it 652 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:22,890 for so long that it went up the side of 653 00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:27,570 the mountain that uh this peak that's 654 00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:29,580 kind of a landmark there there's no 655 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:31,220 trees on top 656 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:34,170 so we always called it the bald peak 657 00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:37,530 and actually saw this orb 658 00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:41,640 go up the sardars mountain and go over 659 00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:43,190 the top 660 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:46,100 of the mountain doesn't disappear very 661 00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:52,520 intelligently guided 662 00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:55,250 they felt 663 00:41:03,720 --> 00:40:57,780 this is something I haven't talked to a 664 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:03,730 lot of people um last summer 665 00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:07,430 we went up there to this song to the 666 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:12,380 camp Co camp and now we know probably 667 00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:17,180 for the last time because and we were up 668 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,830 there this last summer we had a lot of 669 00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:20,720 forest fires going on but none of them 670 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:24,140 really near us but you could see the 671 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:26,450 smoke 672 00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:29,200 a segment for a movie that there did 673 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,530 and 674 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:41,819 it should run a campfire 675 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:45,359 to the smoke from fires miles and miles 676 00:41:51,329 --> 00:41:48,249 miles away and we've speculated what 677 00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:51,339 would we do if the fire hit us up here 678 00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:55,529 whole mountain would blow up right and 679 00:42:02,900 --> 00:41:59,170 there's nothing we would be dead up 680 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,460 you know what would we do I had my Shawn 681 00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:06,000 up there with 682 00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:07,859 so you know my mind is going everyday 683 00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:10,710 like what we do there's no way we get 684 00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,109 off this mountain no way we're going up 685 00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:16,619 into them rocks because whenever those 686 00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:19,980 rocks get superheated they explode so 687 00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:22,790 this was a concern for us the whole time 688 00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:30,309 we got off the mountain 689 00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:33,580 in two days later 690 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:35,320 not attached to 691 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:37,840 the major fires over in fact it was 692 00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:44,490 concentrated in a very very small area 693 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:52,470 the Forest Service says 694 00:42:58,090 --> 00:42:55,210 caused by two lightning strikes now how 695 00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:58,100 they would know that I don't know 696 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:01,740 but we're these lightning strikes hit or 697 00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:04,770 exactly in the only place that would 698 00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,060 have caused the fire to roar up roar up 699 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:12,240 on that side of the mountain and engulf 700 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:17,370 you 701 00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,369 the whole trail up there 702 00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:22,640 been destroyed we have no clue yet yeah 703 00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:24,440 you know we want to try to go back up 704 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:26,230 there and she was left 705 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:28,089 but the whole side of that mountain and 706 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:32,320 only that part varies I don't know if 707 00:43:35,849 --> 00:43:33,490 you know about those fires that were 708 00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:35,859 going on there but they raged they raged 709 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:39,520 on for miles and miles miles hundreds of 710 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:42,970 miles in every direction but this fire 711 00:43:52,169 --> 00:43:50,279 by two lightning strikes 712 00:43:55,189 --> 00:43:52,179 exactly and I've got the map I've got 713 00:43:58,469 --> 00:43:55,199 this for sure this map I can show you 714 00:43:59,849 --> 00:43:58,479 that's public domain boom 715 00:44:02,489 --> 00:43:59,859 two lightning strikes happened at the 716 00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:02,499 same time right exactly what the wind 717 00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:04,209 would carry that flame up onto the 718 00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,980 you 719 00:44:14,299 --> 00:44:11,579 and that's where we're right now we 720 00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:14,309 don't know if the share of camp is is 721 00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:16,910 there anymore 722 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,740 I'm oh of course it's there it's just 723 00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:21,280 probably nothing left up 724 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:23,080 so it's something that we have to do is 725 00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:27,450 get up there and see what's it's left 726 00:44:36,330 --> 00:44:29,980 bottom line of this whole thing Ron and 727 00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,340 I you know finally just had to come to a 728 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,359 conclusion and I think Ron put it best 729 00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:42,640 and what we're talking I'm Ron I don't 730 00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:44,080 know what to call these things I don't 731 00:44:48,930 --> 00:44:46,300 know what where we're gonna go he says 732 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:48,940 is I think the bottom line is that there